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Statement from WhoDat, Inc. January 28, 2010

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This is a statement released today, Jan. 28, 2010, from Sal and Steve Monistere on behalf of their company, WhoDat, Inc.:

Information has been written and broadcast publicly that the NFL has issued cease and desist letters stating that THEY own “WhoDat?”. That is not a true statement, and it is important to note that documentation exists for this and all other statements made here. Throughout, please keep in mind that trade mark ownership is established by ‘first-use’, not by registration.

First, “WhoDat?” Inc. is a company owned by two brothers born and raised within just a few miles of the Super Dome - Sal and Steve Monistere (pr. Monastery). They are big Saints fans and were there for the first exciting kickoff in 1967, Dempsey’s historic field goal, and as season ticket holders, there for all the ups and downs.

Second, the Monisteres have expressed that they deeply regret the fact that New Orleans and particularly its small business owners have been subjected to the wrath of this self-proclaimed 800 pound gorilla from New York City.

 

Other links
Who dat say who can use 'Who Dat?'
Letter to the Louisiana Secretary of State's Office
#Whodat say you gotta cease and desist?
Here are the facts of the matter. Steve Monistere is responsible for producing the original WhoDat song in 1983 with Aaron Neville and a handful of Saints players. Steve recorded the song at his Bienville Street, along with drummer Carlo Nuccio (who shortly thereafter sold his interest to Steve’s brother, Sal.) The statement about the recording is true and well documented. There are hours of video footage from 1983 about the origin, in particular, the news report by (then) Channel 8 sports reporter Ron Swoboda, that covered the actual recording of the song. The record was published, and Who Dat? Inc. owns the mechanical rights to it. By producing that original 1983 song, Steve created a phenomenon. With Sal’s experience in media and advertising, he nurtured it, and made it visible by doing such things as giving away 70,000 WhoDat signs for a Monday night game. There were lots of other things too… Sal and Steve have written numerous other songs that have aired frequently on radio, TV, in the Super Dome, and so forth. There are several compilation “Who Dat CDs” with many of the Monistere’s songs on them - songs such as Are You A Who Dat? and more.

Prior to 1983, there were no brand items with “Who Dat?” printed on them, nor were there any marketing or advertising campaigns to promote the mark. The Monistere’s are extremely proud that they brought “WhoDat?” to the fans, and will always hold that pride deep in their hearts.

Their company has registered the “WhoDat?” trade mark in various categories, as documented on the website of the Louisiana Secretary of State, and as stated above, they have garnered something that is referenced as ‘first-usage’. While there are others that have filed for the trade mark, “Who Dat?” Inc. is the only company to have a registration issued on a federal level.

“Who Dat?” Inc. has never claimed to ‘own’ the word WHO, or the word DAT. They have never claimed to be the first to have uttered those words. They know about the minstrels, the vaudeville acts, the high school and college uses. Their first-usage claim is simply that what THEY did – something that no one else has done or can lay claim to - is simply this: They made it popular, and they have continued to market it, to nurture it, to allow various uses to the local business in New Orleans without harassing them. By doing all of this, we created a secondary meaning of Who Dat.

“WhoDat?”, Inc has been there not only to control the artistic values of the mark and keep it ‘homespun’… they’ve been there to protect the integrity of its use. With out the hard work and investments in time, energy, and money put forth to protect the trade mark, the NFL could very well have the ability to actually follow through on its threats and take it away from the Who Dat Nation.

“WhoDat?” as a mark didn’t “just happen”. The brothers are proud to say they gave birth to it. Their initial gut feeling was that the fans would embrace it… they were absolutely right… that’s what happened. And now it keeps happening, and because it’s so dominant, and the Saints are doing so well, it seems the NFL claims ownership. The Monistere’s claimed an allegiance to “WhoDat?” even in those times when things weren’t so good – a point they would like everyone to take note.

In the past, Who Dat? Inc. has held agreements in alliance with the New Orleans Saints. And within the documentation surrounding those agreements, they, the Saints themselves, have acknowledged that WhoDat? Inc. does in fact hold exclusive rights to the “WhoDat?” trade marks and all derivations of the logo. (See attached)

In a recent interview, the brothers jointly agreed, “It’s not the Saints organization that has issued cease and desist letters, rather it is the NFL. Thankfully, the Saints are busy playing football. Remember? That’s what it’s all about… football. As witnessed by the frenzy of activity surrounding this issue, it is obvious that the NFL has stepped on the toes of the wrong people – that is to say, the local New Orleanian who’s trying to conduct business in a legitimate manner, while simultaneously enjoying our team’s rise to the top! Looks like it’s finally time… the Who Dat Nation can now join the team, ‘in that number’, when the Saints Go Marching In!

And a final note - When it’s all said and done, we can in unison all shout “WhoDat?” All the right people will know what we mean… all the right people will ‘get it’. Apparently and unfortunately, the NFL just doesn’t get it. Now, the Monistere brothers have another mantra…

Defend WhoDat, Defend the Fleur de lis!

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written by BBSIXTY, August 14, 2010
I am a staunch Saints fan, but I will never buy another who dat item. These guys won't fight the big guys. They go after you for selling an old who dat item you found in your closet or legally bought. They are cowards who are trying to further their lawsuit via stomping on little guys necks. I am going to develop and sell new items with a dat expression and f these guys.
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written by me, August 14, 2010
I bought some items at a Mardi Gras store. On some of these items who dat is printed. I was selling one of the items on ebay, and these clowns had ebay end the item. They won't go after the big stores selling who dat items, but they gonna F with me for selling one item. These clowns are cowards.
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written by Archie, July 29, 2010
These guys are sending out cease and desist orders through ebay and more for items that don't even contain who dat. Just using the phrase. Who do they think they are? I agree with concerned small business owner. These two guys are trying to sue the state and the NFL, but they are stopping peoples business before a ruling is even made. The fact is too many people have been printing who dat merch for a long time no one cared till they start winning. I say the hell with these two guys. I am happy that locals make any money off who dat. These guy's can't own that and I don't believe it will hold up in court. They are sending out a letter that whatever designs you have, you can sell for 15%, they get the rest. KISS MY @$$.
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written by VoiceOfReason, April 13, 2010
To SMALL BUSINESS OWNER:
You do not know the details. You do not know trademark law. You comments come from emotion, not logic. When did the people of Louisiana become excused from obeying the LAW? It's a shame that in New Orleans, you eat your own. Here's a question. When you buy a Who Dat T Shirt, who do you buy it from? Yes, Virgina, you are buying it from a business, most often from out of Louisiana, that is making a profit from the sale. Why is it that you would rather give your money to corporate America rather than to the guys who actually popularized and promoted Who Dat? You will gladly give up a weeks pay check to see the Saints play (guys who are NOT from New Orleans), but you moan about buying a T shirt from the brothers that have brought joy and fun to the city. Tisk, tisk, tisk. Jealous, Bitter, Angry and small minded. Get the facts and be nice.
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written by WHO DAT, March 18, 2010
I hope they never sell another record or make a penny off of the phrase again.
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written by concerned small business owner, March 11, 2010
Several people on here are THANKING Sal & Steve Monistere. WHY? Did you know that they are worst than the NFL? They have C & D letters going out to MANY small business people in our area claiming to OWN "WHO DAT" even though they let let this expire in 1989!!

They are trying to put people out of business and yet spinning it as though they are keeping the big, bad NFL off the backs of small business in our area when what they are doing is LEGALLY JUMPING on the the backs of ANYONE using "WHO DAT"!

The Monistere's are trying to make a buck off of EVERY small business that has WHO DAT merchandise. It is coming down next week (3/15/10). Just watch and then raise your voices to them to BACK OFF! How dare they think after 20+ years they can come in and take from people that continued to believe in "WHO DAT". They did not care enough about "WHO DAT" which is evidenced in the fact they elected to let the trademark expire.

So, before you thank them - make sure you become informed about HOW many small business people from our area they are now going after and HOW they are going after them.

GREEDY - GREEDY - GREEDY! And, they are FROM here! SLIME!!
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written by Tina Barber, March 05, 2010
Well I have one for ya guys!
I work with a lady that can remember her great grandmother singing her slave songs incorporating the phrase WHO DAT , now you gonna tell me that the boys that are suing the NFL and Louisiana that the coined this phrase before that , sorry boys ... that phrase belongs to the slaves that help make this country and worked the fields of this nation and was beat by the white man ,before it belongs to you the NFL or Louisiana . Now do somereal research on where the phrase comes from.
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written by DM, March 05, 2010
Dear “Who Dat Brothers”,
“I wanted to say thanks for what you've done. The impact “Who Dat?” has had on the city, the state, the players and the overall spirit of Saints football is truly unique to Louisiana. The team’s big win this year was the pay-off. These players are special… very special. All the years of being last has taught these young gatekeepers of the Saints legacy that winning isn’t what is most important, but that faith and community is what makes Saints fans so close and at home with each other. With that, winning comes naturally.
The catch phrase that invoked this state of mind among Saints fans is without a doubt “WHO DAT!”. After all the years of not caring much for football because of the aggressive and competitive nature of the game, I suddenly find that I’m all tuned into the whole thing after seeing the way the people and the Saints made their way to the championship. It wasn't ego. It was all out of love for the city and the game.... the way those guys seem to "dance" around the field is a great visual indicator of this aligning force. Again, I keep hearing “WHO DAT!” It’s like the ‘amen’ at the end of a prayer. The invocation isn’t complete without it.
I'm really proud to have lived this moment. I think your efforts prove you guys are champions of the people. And ‘WhoDat’?? – to me it’s the fundamental element that created this collective consciousness they call “The Who Dat Nation”. That, without a doubt, is what lit the fire that now burns in the hearts of the Saints players themselves.
I think I’m going to get myself a "Who Dat?" tattoo.
DM – Austin, Texas

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written by hello, February 04, 2010
smilies/grin.gif hi wats up i luv the saints
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written by jason, February 01, 2010
if the NFL has sold "who dat" on it's merchandise they owe Who Dat Inc a lot of money.
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written by Sandy Bass, January 31, 2010
I am 43 years old. I have lived in many different states, all of which have had NFL teams. Throughout it all I have remained a faithful New Orleans Saints fan. What the NFL is trying to do to our Saints is absurb. These are our Saints and we are the' WHO DAT NATION'.
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written by rthand, January 31, 2010
I think who dat inc should get lawyers think about this if they did get federal patent in 1983 for Who dat then doesn't the nfl owe them for useing it all those years.
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written by logspec1, January 31, 2010
I have a couple cans of "Who Dat?" Rootbeer soda from several years ago. It was made by the Acadiana Bottling Company, Inc., Lafayette, LA. On the can it says "Who Dat? is a registered trademark of Who Dat? Inc."
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written by Where Yat on Who Dat?, January 31, 2010
"'Who Dat?' Inc. has never claimed to "own" the word WHO, or the word DAT."

"Dat" isn't a word that I know of, but neither does that fact preclude it from having been uttered in New Orleans, a city where sounds that are not words are frequently included in everyday conversation.

It appears to me that "dat" as a part of "Who Dat?" makes the entire phrase easier to own. Since it really isn't a word, it is unique. Maybe the NFL can file papers to become owners of the phrase "Where Yat?" if they want to be a part of the New Orleans scene.

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written by Pete Thorn, January 29, 2010
To clarify: 1. The NFL was ACTING on behave of the SAINTS &
4. should read "ask XEROX AND the makers of KLEENEX & VASELINE..."
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written by DeeDee DIBENEDETTO, January 29, 2010
For All the History Lovers:

I was contacted requesting research on who first "coined" the phrase "Who Dat?"
The client doesn't care who has patented the right to use the phrase (the NFL or Aaron NEVILLE) but just wants to know, and wants all the other local historians to know who the originator is.

From my research - this is what I found:

"Who Dat" originated by Creole Slaves and regularly used in Creole Lullabies.

Warning: Some articles are considered racist in today's times.

See the attached four Times Picayune newspaper articles for additional information if needed:

1856 - "Who Frowed Dat Cat" (Attachment 1)
1875 - "Who Dat" - Negro Lingo (Attachment 2)
1904 - "A Levee Love Song" - "Who Dat" (Attachment 3)
1926 - Negro Folk Songs - "Who Dat" (Attachment 4)

DeeDee DIBENEDETTO
(St. Amant, LA)
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written by Pete Thorn, January 29, 2010
1. The NFL was acted on behalf of the Saints Organization
2. The Monistere's trademark lapsed; with it any legal claim to the phrase Federal, State or Local
3. A single, typed memo from the Saint's Secretary of Marketing & not their legal office? Not likely.
4. GENERICIDE Neither the SAINTS/NFL nor the Monistere's have asserted their rights (legal, presumed or otherwise) to the phrase on a regular, consistent basis, if at all, in the twenty plus years since it was first registered. Basically allowing unchecked, free use. (ask XEROX, the makers of KLEENEX & VASELINE if you don't think that matters)
5. The NFL/SAINTS have backed down because it's been discovered they are acting on behave of the SAINTS Organization and don't want the Media nightmare this would have become tomorrow when the teams & National Media arrive in Miami (SAINT'S OWNER VS. HIS OWN FANS is not the drama they're going for
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written by Christopher Raissi, January 29, 2010
I'm sorry, but that attachment is of pretty horrible quality. It blatantly looks like it was edited. The letterhead, the second paragraph, and the signature elements all look separate from the paper. The difference in color is glaringly obvious. I'm going to be blunt here. Anyone remember that image of the great white jumping out of the water and eating a Coast Guard guy in front of the Golden Gate Bridge? That looked more real than the attached image of a letter from the Saints.

While I'm all about this and would love to see WhoDat Inc turn around and sue the NFL for using their trademark, y'all have got to come up with a better photocopy than that.
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written by Anique, January 29, 2010
Funny they weren't concerned when I our poor Saints had losing seasons. Now all of the sudden they own something that has been around longer than the NFL. WHO DAT, WHO DAT, WHO DAT, WHO DAT, WHO DAT say they gonna take that away from us!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Karen Dalton Beninato
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written by Karen Dalton Beninato, January 29, 2010
Great artwork, Tom, and thanks for the kind words Editilla - how nice to see you over here on NewOrleans.com!!
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written by Ron, January 29, 2010
It has been reported that the NFL is selling Officially Licensed Who Dat items in South Florida, it may be worth investigating if WhoDat, Inc, under their first use license and trademark can issue a cease and desist order against the NFL for copywrite/trademark infringement
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written by Barbara Harrington, January 29, 2010
My husband and I were married May 27, 1967, and went to the first Saints game against the Detroit Lyons. It's driving me crazy because I can't remember the exact date of that game at Tulane Stadium. Please please email me the exact date so I can let him know. Thank you so much!

bjmharrington@cox-internet.com
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written by Tom, January 29, 2010
Now it all makes sense. Here's the new NFL logo...

http://www.facebook.com/pages/New-Orleans-Saints-Fangeaux/351096585014?ref=ts#/photo.php?pid=10756361&id=351096585014
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written by Editilla, January 29, 2010
Hey NewOrleans.com, y'all have been On Top of this thank you very much!
I started with Karen Dalton-Binenato's piece almost a week ago, and the comments rocked, and not this article and comments pretty much Puts the WHO IN DAT!!!
Hahahahahahaha Who'Dat say you gonna Cease and Desist? HA!

But my hat really goes off to Sal and Steve Monistere.
Bless you boys. Really (and the author of this piece).

Thanks again, Y'all. New Orleans.com is really growing into a totally unique Voice of the People Who'dat!
Hahahahahahahaha
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written by Tom, January 29, 2010
Contact the NFL PR director and let him know what you think!

Joe Browne, Executive Vice President of Communications & Public Affairs
Phone: 212.450-2031
e-mail: Joe.Browne@nfl.com
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written by YVETTE GULINO, January 29, 2010
WHO DAT! WE DAT! BELIEVE DAT! GEAUX SAINTS! smilies/shocked.gif)
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written by Earl, January 28, 2010
Where were these people when the Saints were not doing well? They just want to try to get rich quick. Tell these idiots to take a long walk off a short pier on the Lake. There are so many different teams that have said this it is not funny. It belongs to everyone!
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written by rob, January 28, 2010
I think the blues band, who registered the who dat blues band with the uspto.gov then another application for who dat just a couple of weeks ago, should be given some credit for using the phrase in the song, but they do NOt appear to have a fed. registration, other than the blues band use. They did regist. with he state but that's just a corp. The NFL & the Saintshas opposed a lot of people recently including WOW wings for trying to TM WOW DAT. It's all true and public record at www.uspto.gov. If the NFL or these musicians want to prove common law rights, they need to prove they used or controlled/ policed WHO DAT and everyone who has used it in commerce for all of these years. I don't see it. Who Dat is now a part of the "queens english" at least in New Orleans anyway. GO SAINTS!
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written by rob, January 28, 2010
no exactly all true
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written by John Book, January 28, 2010
Shame on the NFL. They do not own the Fleur de Lis, they do not own the colors of black and gold, and they do NOT own the words "WHO DAT"... The city of New Orleans and its people do. Back off, NFL!

Thank you Sal and Steve Monistere!
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written by Holly Tompkins, January 28, 2010
I am so glad that this has been brought to the true light, the light of the Who Dat Nation. The NFL needs to reconfigure how they will make money off of the Saints' first ever Super Bowl berth. Because I am sure, with the team we have and with the people who play for and support that team, that no matter how our infrastructure changes, we will be there many more Super Bowls to come. WHO DAT!!!
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written by Jo, January 28, 2010
Sal and Steve Monistere
Thank you for this and thanks for signing the petition. As noted in the petition you guys have been awesome about letting business in New Orleans use the term with permission. I wanted to make sure that I made that point in the petition description because I feel that it speaks volumes about the character of the men who nurtured the slogan, as New Orleanians. I think that we are taking such offense because the NFL has attacked small business and artists over the fluer de lis, of any type as well as the fact that they want to control the WHO DAT phrase (as I understand it) as it applies to Merch. I would also be interested to hear what the Saints execs have to say about the whole deal as they have been very quiet.
http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/wedat
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written by Mike, January 28, 2010
Pronola, they're not issuing the cease and desist letters, the NFL itself is. hence the reason Who Dat, Inc made it necessary to clarify that the NFL actually doesn't own it, making the cease and desist letters completely null and void.
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written by Pronola, January 28, 2010
So if all of this is true, why are you NOW issuing cease and desist orders to small businesses selling Who Dat paraphernalia? You "press release" makes it sound as though you are all for the fans having access, but the bottom line of a cease and desist is you want the money. I will be a Who Dat until the day I die, and I really don't care who or how or why the phrase was coined.
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written by Merwin Chambers, January 28, 2010
Very well put.
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written by Cheri Green, January 28, 2010
Thank you for preserving what is naturally New Orleans. WhoDat!!

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